'Mock meats are nicotine gum of veganism': your best comments today

We’re taking another look at some of the stories getting you talking today, from a piece on meat alternatives to emotional recent TV

Stories provoking interest around the site include a column on non-meat “meat” for non-vegetarians, the “best decade for films” according to one critic and some tear-jerking TV readers are looking forward to on Monday.

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I’ve been long long time veg and then vegan, and from my own experience the mock meats are just a nicotine gum of veganism. They serve a purpose to ween people off the meat, and as such they do a great service to veganism. But they are not the end solution. They are guilty of prolonging one’s meat dependency, by faking the perception of taste and texture thus fooling the mind into believing it’s meat. So that meat perception is kept alive. As they say, “it’s all in the head”, give up your meat desire, and you don’t have to fool anybody of anything.

I suppose that is better than being mocked by obsessed meat. But making things that appear to be meat, but aren’t, rather misses the point. You would have to probe deeper and ask: why do you want a “bloody” burger? What is the point of infusing some fungus with beetroot juice just to give the impression of something that it is not.

If it is merely to trigger some long-lost memory, then I doubt if an entirely bogus substitute will do the job. If it is to kid yourself that you are still a carnivore: blood and guts and gore all over, ripping still-warm flesh of a twitching prey, then I know a good trick cyclist.

Yes, the decade that gave us the endless franchise. The decade that gave us the 140 minute film as standard where nothing happens.

There are some good films on that list, but ultimately the 2000s will be remembered for Michael Bay and Marvel.

The 90s was my favourite. So many classics: Shawshank Redemption, Pulp Fiction, Forest Gump, Seven, Usual Suspects, the Matrix, Saving Private Ryan, Silence of the Lambs, Fight Club, Ghost in the Shell 1995, I could on. 2000s was good also though, though I disagree about Hurt Locker, that was hollow pretentious jingoistic claptrap.

The 40s for me! Spent a most enjoyable couple of hours last night watching Mildred Pierce for the umpteenth time.

It’s been great to be able to collect films I watched for the first time on the BBC years ago. I’ve finally got hold of Beyond The Forest, the film which drove Bette Davis to finally break with Warner Bros.

So many incredibly moving moments in this series, all due to the superb writing and acting across the board. But the one that really broke my heart was episode 4 of this season. I’ve never had a film or TV show make my feel that way – I literally felt my chest tightening; it’s happening again just thinking about it. Peter Mullan is a remarkable actor.

I think the central relationships are great, and love the programme, but its flaw is the over reliance on the hideousness of her brother’s partner ( who by now in ‘real life’ should have just been taken down several pegs), and the inability for mum to find any real space…I’m aware that these things are needed to bring it all together though. A similar device was used in Him and Her, where the visiting sister was equally vile and generally accommodated. Both series are lovely though, largely because of the central performances and a lot of good writing.

A glorious, beautifully observed series. The emotional crescendo of last week’s hug by the washing line nearly finished me off.

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Source: theguardian
'Mock meats are nicotine gum of veganism': your best comments today

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